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10:49:56
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Hi Bill,
In the recent book _Tracks in the Psychic Wilderness_, ISBN 1-86204-
203-9, Element Books 1998, author Dale Graff devotes an entire
chapter to dreaming/ remote viewing and precognition. Although brief
in length, he explores his hits and misses as he dreams. He begins
with doubts and ends up well convinced that dreaming can work in this
area.
The book is easy to read and enjoyable, especially for beginners in
remote viewing. ($19.95, USA). Perhaps this can give you a start in
research also.
Best wishes, Laura
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RV and Lucid Dreams
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10:50:19
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>> In the recent book _Tracks in the Psychic Wilderness_, ISBN 1-86204-
>> 203-9, Element Books 1998, author Dale Graff devotes an entire
>> chapter to dreaming/ remote viewing and precognition.
I was gonna get this book from Amazon, but I noticed that there were two
customer reviews which just TRASHED it. The criticism seemed to be focused on
the notion that the book was hastily thrown together simply to "cash in" on
remote viewing.
-- John
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10:51:03
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Hello All,
I just want to thank all of those of you who have written such kind
and thoughtful e-mails of support to me in the past few days.
Your support and encouragement has been wonderful, and it
all means a great deal to me during what has been a very
difficult time for me in every conceivable way.
The past two months as moderator have been something of a
powerful rollercoaster. It had some amazing emotional high
points and some amazingly low points to it.
I started the modern form of the Star Gate list in direct response
to PJ Gaenir's decision to close her own Psi and Viewer Lists,
because people needed a place to go after her lists closed down.
I was hoping to keep this list unmoderated, but recent events
have forced a realisation that, IMO, a moderated list is
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I feel very highly honoured to have been among so many intelligent,
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However, I have some huge projects on the horizon, and
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Target List. I intend to carry on moderating this list and
to develop it. I also plan to use my new free time
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Collectively, between all 75 or so of us, we have managed
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It is with a variety of mixed emotions that I step down from what
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Thank you all, for everything!
Warmly,
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stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
RV and Lucid Dreams
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10:51:25
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ERV and lucid dream are same state...
Eyal
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Whats it feel like?
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10:51:39
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<< Another interesting theory that has been put forward by Gertude
Schmeidler is that psi is processed in the same way as regular perception
and uses the same neural processing. It is possible that the signal line
is received differently but the processing appears to be the same.
>>
Are you saying there is an external signal line? I suspect we have the
potential to perceive any event along our own individual relative temporal
spatial plane by association, but I'm not a big fan of telepathy or bilocation
etc... My leaning is toward precognition which appears to be a universal
ability and occurs commonly in the form of dreams, premonitions, hunches,
visions etc...
Most psi experience may be explained by precognition. For almost every story
of telepathy or OOBEs which impart information about a subject some distance
from us there is a precog explaination.
Since spacetime does not confine our non-material physical consciousness
linearly in the same way it does our material physical form, and we experience
feedback from the future continuosly on an unconscious level due to the
appearance of events in spacetime occuring in parallel, and those unconscious
impressions play a role in our day to day functioning, we are all experiencing
precognition. It is a normal function, but understanding why some of my
patients experience intrusive thoughts, hallucinations and tell me they are
experiencing a parallel dimension makes me wonder whether or not psychiatry is
on the right track.
Granted, there are abnormalities which we see in neurological functioning in
schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder etc... But - I have seen individuals adapt
to their dysfunction and perform remarkable feats of psi. One such example is
a medium here on Long Island named George Anderson. George was diagnosed as
paranoid schizophrenic some years ago and claims to be able to communicate
with the dead. He is one of the most successful mediums in the country,
booked a year in advance, and collecting over $1500.00 per session.
I'm not sure that George is really communicating with the dead, but he appears
to me to be one hell of a precognitive psychic, always knowing what questions
to ask and answers to give his clients. He seems to be intune with his
clients in every reading. I have been meaning to read his book, but havn't
gotten around to it yet.
Hal Puthoff had e-mailed me sometime ago and related a story regarding a
severly psychotic patient at Stanford University Hospital who claimed to have
psi abilities. Hal instructed the psychiatrist to perform a few tests which
the patient passed with flying colors. Unfortunately, the patient was still
very psychotic and required neuroleptic medication. On high doses of major
tranquilizers his ability was no longer detectable with the same tests.
I wonder how many of my patients experience the same phenomenon and can't
communicate the source of their distress because the intrusions into their
waking state consciousness are unconscious in origin, and they are not able to
cognitively process the source of their delusions or intrusive thoughts.
It is entirely possible that some forms of mental illness manifest with
uncontrolled random images which are misinterpreted based upon the patients
limited cognitive functioning ability and fixed belief systems thereby leading
to paranoid and grandious delusions and an eventual meltdown of the
individuals personality and functioning.
Medications play a role in controlling the psychosis to some extent, but
understanding how "normal" folks cope with and control non-conventional or
random unconscious functions would be a great boon to the study of mental
illness.
Sorry if I seem a bit pedantic but I see numerous implications in psychiatry
and psychology, neurosciences, consciousness research etc... which could come
from a better understanding of psi.
Regards,
Ken
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Back to Star Gate : Thanks
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10:51:54
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> Jean-Luc, you may remember from the Inner Vision Course that I am
> working on a Who's Who is Remote Viewing organizational chart and
> eventually I will make this into a poster format. Currently, it just has
> U.S. names and organizations but would be happy to add international
> information. Can you help me here, as you seem so knowledgeable?
>
> Kind regards
> Angela
> ----
Dear Angela,
I am anxiously awaiting your poster! I think it is a great idea. Do you
know approximately when it will be available? Thanks.
Jane
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
About ERV
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10:52:09
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Dear Lyn,
You opened a very interesting discussion on ERV by your last post on Lucid
Dreaming.
Could you please elaborate on some items ?
You wrote for example
> 1. You have to have a monitor to follow the protocols. The monitor must
> be trained in specifically ERV protocols, and not vary from them. If you
> don't know what those protocols are, then what you'r doing isn't ERV.
Since nobody seems, by now, to teach "ERV" as used in the former RV U.S
military
unit, could you tell us some words [if this may be public of course] on the
specific
protocols and methods used at Ft Mead ?
> 2. The monitor must first allow the viewer to get into a hypnogogic
state
> and then provide cueing (usually coordinates, like in CRV) which will bring
> the viewer onto target.
Was the viewer connected to ECG, EEG, DER sets so that the monitor could
visualize on
screens the progress of the viewer to a hypnagogic state or was that done
through a
one-to-one talk ? Was it a very personalized procedure or was it more like a
Monroe
Institue procedure - when a pre-recorded tape leads you from the awake state to
"Focus 10" for example (mind awake, body asleep) - ?
Thank you in advance Lyn,
Jean-Luc
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
RV and Lucid Dreams
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10:52:20
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Hello Greg and Steve et al.
No your response was not off topic at all. I am interested in your
research into inducing OOBE's or your protocols for lucid dreams that
you use. I have not seen a discussion of LD's since I've been on this
site, so if you or anyone would like to put your 2c worth in please
indulge yourselves. I don't have LD's too often, but I find I can carry
out some directed actions when becoming lucid. The problem is that being
a healthy male, and given that total freedom ,..why of course I choose
to....fly (grin). But I'm sure if I could sustain the state longer, and
achieve it more often I could execute some primitive searches. My sister
has them almost every night, but is dreadfully afraid of changing
anything for fear she will mess up her head, so she just watches them
like a movie, while almost totally concious. Perhaps with some more
encouragement, I can get her to volunteer as an experimental platform.
Regards
Bill
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
RV and Lucid Dreams
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10:52:31
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Hello Lyn,
Thankyou for your reply. OK strike the word ERV. I understand that you
hate to see specific terms get generalized into practically
everything...but I think you need a nomenclature meeting or something.
Many, perhaps most of the people "viewing" on this site are not using a
monitor, yet persist in calling their viewing some kind of RV. In this
case I mean Perseiving a Target with Psi during an LD. How about calling
it a "PTPLD".
Best Regards,
Bill
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Back to Star Gate : about the RV Russian threat
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10:52:49
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Hi Angela,
There had to have been something public prior to that, because I
was aware of the U.S. Gov and Military interest in eastern
European and Soviet psi research by late in 1973.
Peace
Dirk
On 10 Aug 98, at 10:57, Angela Thompson Smith wrote:
> Hi Glen, I was going through my files and came across a copy of an
> unclassified document that someone sent me, way, way back. It is entitled
> Soviet and Czechoslovakian Parapsychology Research dated September, 1975
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
RV and Lucid Dreams
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10:53:03
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Speaking of cashing in, does anyone know of
someone cashing out after the program ended?
Perhaps someone who decided their job was
finished, never to RV again? Could that be possible?
Thanks,
No No
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Back to Star Gate : Thanks
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10:53:24
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The Who's Who in RV poster is still under construction and I am looking
for funding to get it printed, so maybe later in the Fall.
Kind regards
Angela
> Dear Angela,
> I am anxiously awaiting your poster!
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Important List News
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10:53:54
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Thanks for the great introduction, Steve. And thank you Steve for being
such an able and efficient moderator of the Stargate List. I was saddened
when PJ decided to close the RV list and then gladdened when you decided
to continue the forum with the Stargate list. I also want to thank you,
Steve, for having the confidence in me to ask me to take over the
moderation of the Stargate list. I realize this project has been very
close to your heart, Steve, and I will treat the list with tender,
loving, care. I hope that I will be able to give the list as much
thoughtful attention as you have.
Basically, the list will stay much the same although I am open to
suggestions. The reasonable list rules that Steve posted a few days ago
will remain in place. If you need to review them you can find them in the
Stargate archives at Findmail. Please remember that we have teachers,
students, researchers, and interested persons from many RV modalities
such as CRV, TRV, SRV, ERV etc., each with their own opinions and views
about RV. Let's share out ideas and opinions in a free and open spirit. I
am here to learn as much as all of you.
Please email me, privately, if you have any suggestions or concerns about
the list at Catalyst@.... Looking forward to a long and
mutually beneficial relationship.
Kind regards
Angela Thompson Smith
The Inner Vision Research Institute
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
About ERV
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10:54:27
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Lyn,
If it's not too much of an imposition, do you think you could repost that e-
mail in which you described ERV. I inadvertently hit the delete key instead
of the read key when I tried to open it.
Thanks,
Ken
stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Whats it feel like?
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10:54:55
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> << Of course, Science has its limitations on the phenomena
> of psi in that it is a crude tool for a phenomena that is outside of
> scientific realm.
> >>
>
> Right, but psi is not outside of the scientific realm. Science just hasn't
> defined a unified theory of quantum mechanics and relativity adequately which
> takes into consideration the non-material physical reality of consciousness.
> The following discussion lists address the subject of scientific approaches to
> consciousness:
Yes..I stand corrected. It is not "outside of the realm" in that that science
studies the psi effect via statistical interpretations which provides a
guidepost
to psi understanding. But I think you got the jist of my earlier paragraph...in
that what I meant to say was... the nature of consciousness alludes scientific
investigation because of its related qualia, i.e. personal and subjective
experience that comes to our awareness yet can't be objectified, so far, by any
scientific terms. Quantum theory and mechanics, however, is providing a
foundation and analogy to comprehend consciousness, thus as you said.."not
outside
of the scientific realm."
> Physics@... (For info you can go to the Intuition Network website)
>
> Quantum-Mind@...
> (To subscribe you can e-mail Listserv@...)
>
> prf@...
> ( I'll have to dig around in my old e-mail for the subscription address)
Thanks for the List...
> Jack Sarfatti has been kind of directing the conversation on the Physics list,
> while Stuart Hameroff has been moderating the Quantum-Mind list out of the
> University of Arizona's Consciousness Studies area. The PRF is a moderated
> forum which is contributed to by professional parapsychological researchers
> from a variety of institutions including PEAR, Rhine, Koestler, the University
> of Nevada etc...
>
Yes...there is very much an active community (multidisciplinary) studying the
area
of consciousness, an area once taboo in the academic circle. Although, most of
the school are based in finding the source in terms of biological, neurological
and brain activity as opposed to Mind as in metaphysical, like nobel recipient
Francis Crick. Then there is the reductionism versus the "emergent"
consciousness
school. You may also wish to check out this following
site:http://www.zynet.co.uk/imprint/jcs.html
It is the repository for the Journal of Consciousness Studies.
electrix
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10:55:30
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site:http://www.zynet.co.uk/imprint/jcs.html
It is the repository for the Journal of Consciousness Studies.
>>
Thanks for the URL I will look into it later today. By the way, what field
did you say you were in? Sounds to me like you are a very knowledgeable asset
to the list.
Regards,
Ken
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Re: Whats it feel like?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/917)
10:56:01
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KWSLI@... wrote:
> Since spacetime does not confine our non-material physical consciousness
> linearly in the same way it does our material physical form, and we experience
> feedback from the future continuosly on an unconscious level due to the
> appearance of events in spacetime occuring in parallel, and those unconscious
> impressions play a role in our day to day functioning, we are all experiencing
> precognition. It is a normal function, but understanding why some of my
> patients experience intrusive thoughts, hallucinations and tell me they are
> experiencing a parallel dimension makes me wonder whether or not psychiatry is
> on the right track.
If I interpreted the above paragraph correctly --- that's an interesting way of
looking at it, i.e. precognition being exercised in the present without our full
conscious awareness. I suppose, I come from the evolutionist theory...in that
somehow there is connection between special cellular functions that are either
dormant or mutating into a better pro-survival unit which enhances or provides a
medium for extra sensory perception. But with your suggestion, I can see how I
can easily swing over to your hypothesis.
Tell me, do you subscribe to the idea that we are actually operating from the
sub-conscious, thus the supra-conscious, instead of the consciousness level.
Meaning...that the consciousness, as the ego, filters information that is being
fed by the "lower" levels?
I recently gleaned that there has been studies made whereby it takes
consciousness
a few seconds to process the data for the body to react...since, by conjecture,
it
is "processing" information at that time that the sub-conscious is
delivering...this theory would fall neatly with your statement that we access
precognition "normally." Because paranormal experience is an activity relegated
in the supra and sub-conscious state which in turn is accessing non-locality.
It
would also validate RV process in that we must get the "ego" out of the way or
keep it busy to allow the flow of data. What's your thought on this?
Also, it doesn't surprise me that people that are considered to be schizophrenic
or the like, would have paranormal activities. It is not unlike the minds of
geniuses...where there is a tread line between their "insanity" and "creativity"
and their source of inspiration generates --- the subsconscious made active.
electrix
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10:56:22
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Hi John :)
I admit not checking the reviews on Amazon.com before purchase. I...
er.....saw the book 'naked' and bought it without knowing a thing.
But....for further digging....Dale Graff's website is: http://www.
chesapeake.net/~baygraff/
Maybe someone here can clear our cobwebs....!? I'm curious
too!
Best wishes, Laura
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Gestalt vs "finished" - New Thread
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/919)
10:57:18
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Hi folks,
Have trained, watched, listened, compared.
Joe and others state plainly that RV session QUALITY seldom progresses
beyond General Gestalt content, excepting most rare individuals.
I use CRV. I almost always can convince myself of target/site contact, but
am quite disappointed with the clarity/quality of session summaries. 'Liam'
has stated he experiences apx 3 TIMES the quality of content (as best I
understood) using ERV methods (altered state, hypnogogic, left brain
dormant, etc, whatever).
I have been at this apx 2 years now and am in the camp Joe talks about -
general gestalt achievement level. I think- Is it just me and my lack of
native talent? or- Is it technique? Does it take MORE practice? MUST I have
a monitor and convert to ERV?
I ask - What can an AVERAGE person EXPECT from RV session content after
reasonable effort, time, and average talent has been put forth?
If the better viewers could do a session I have done on the new Stargate
target list, I would be most grateful. I will be posting one Paul ran me on.
Any courageous responses, comments, suggestions?
Thank you in advance,
David .................
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Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
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10:59:50
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>> Speaking of cashing in, does anyone know of
>> someone cashing out after the program ended?
>> Perhaps someone who decided their job was
>> finished, never to RV again? Could that be possible?
Lyn Buchanan wrote on the VWR list that there were some such individuals who
never RV'd after their stint at Ft. Meade.
-- John
stargate : Message: [stargate]
No real target
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/921)
11:00:08
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What happens to the RV'er when s/he is trying to view
a target that doesn't exist? e.g. when the target is
'current terrorist activity in Belgium' and there is
no terrorist activity at that moment.
I once tried to RV a simple drawing which a friend
of mine assured me he had taped on his door. But
in reality he had just forgotten to do this.
While 'viewing' the only thing I got was an angry feeling.
All the best
Frank V
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Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/922)
11:01:43
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Dear Electrix and all,
As you've seen from my earlier posts, I'm a big fan of a quantum
explanation of psi. However, after seeing the posts indicating that
one could psi-view the insides of a black hole and come back...well I'm
not sure anything would explain that in our current knowledge of
physics. Of course it is impossible to validate those observations
since there is no other know way to get back from a black hole....but if
psi-viewers consistently can do that..I give up on explaining it with
any kind of science. But, I will gladly stand corrected if anyone can
hypothesize a mechanism.
Bill
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Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
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11:01:55
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> ERV and lucid dream are same state...
> Eyal
Eyal,
This is not correct. I'm pretty sure some of the ERV'ers on the list
will back me up on this.
Greg
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Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
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11:02:21
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Hi, Bill:
I think Steve outlined a basic, effective method for inducing LD's...
reinforcement of the desire in your conscious mind that penetrates the
subconscious. Keep a journal and make entries THE MOMENT YOU WAKE UP!
If you would like an easier, less disciplined, high-tech aid, become a
member of The Monroe Institute ($50-$65/yr) and you will receive, free
of charge, their LD tape. It is extremely effective! The girl I am
working with went from 4-5 OBE's/month, to 11-14/month, just by adding
some TMI material to her regimen. Also, if you would to master altered
states, for ERVpurposes, TMI is the short road home.
My sister
> has them almost every night, but is dreadfully afraid of changing
> anything for fear she will mess up her head, so she just watches them
> like a movie, while almost totally concious. Perhaps with some more
> encouragement, I can get her to volunteer as an experimental
platform.
Isn't life ironic? Unless your sister's belief system changes
dramatically, it is doubtful she will be able to help you. Fear is the
great mind-killer. I'm just lucky the girl I work with is fearless.
Greg
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Whats it feel like?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/925)
11:02:44
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Hi Ken,
Thanks for your post,
You recently wrote:
> [big snip] But - I have seen individuals adapt
> to their dysfunction and perform remarkable feats of psi. One such example is
> a medium here on Long Island named George Anderson. George was diagnosed as
> paranoid schizophrenic some years ago and claims to be able to communicate
> with the dead. He is one of the most successful mediums in the country,
> booked a year in advance, and collecting over $1500.00 per session.
>
> I'm not sure that George is really communicating with the dead, but he appears
> to me to be one hell of a precognitive psychic, always knowing what questions
> to ask and answers to give his clients. He seems to be intune with his
> clients in every reading.
> I have been meaning to read his book, but havn't
> gotten around to it yet.
>
Would you be so kind as to give us George Anderson book's title and ISBN ?
Sounds interesting.
THX in advance,
Jean-Luc
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: squeezeing stage4!
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/926)
11:02:58
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Liam wrote:
> So I am not getting a lot of practice. I find that I am
> getting less specific information then I would if I was working on a regular
> basis.
As a student, I can verify this... if I have a gap of more than a week
the momentum is lost. I am lucky enough to have a few friends with whom
I practiced when we were untrained and just doing targets (the Nike:
just do it method) and we have recently regrouped and are once again
setting up target practice. So between practicing ERV, working with
Paul in CRV, and working with the guys, I should be regaining some
momentum and clarity. The discussion on the list with you and Gene and
Lyn add a great deal of depth to the learning process I have
experienced and I greatly appreciate the fact that you all take the
time to do
this.
Shelia
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Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/927)
11:03:15
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Hi Bill and all;
Liam here. Bill, Does this mean I have another convert for the Magic school
of RV. Just to be fair, let me point out the Matrix theory of RV which says
you are really not going to the site but to a matrix (accessible by the
subconscious) where all information is stored. This would give you the
experience of going to the black hole without being sucked in by the bloody
thing. The matrix also explains how we can RV the past. Or you can join we
Irish, say its magic and not worry about all the impossibilities.
In case you choose the latter, I will enclose an application form to the
Irish School of RV and a list of pubs in your area where we meet on a
regular basis to discuss magic, the wee folk, and green eyed, virginal,
Celtic maidens.
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
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Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/928)
11:03:27
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Hi Liam,
Thankyou very much Liam. I would love to join your club! I understand
the Matrix principal, and thats why the quantum mechanical model
appealed to me, because all particles must be in intimate contact at the
quantum level ( althought we mundanes can't access that knowledge) for
QM to work. HOWEVER, I question whether even a QM matrix could abstract
knowledge out of a black hole. Maybe I can ask this on some physics site
and report back with 10 different incompatible models, or more likely
they will write me off as a nut pretending to have a Ph.D.. Also, can
you get me onto some of those great Irish golf courses? The golf course
is a great place to practice remote influencing things: the ball, your
emotions, your oponents emotions. Friendly Leprechauns would help also.
Best Regards,
Bill
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Congrats for job on the List!
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/929)
11:03:57
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Hello Steve,
I just wanted to say that I thought you did a great job as moderator. I
knew this bunch would be very unruly. PJ only kept Gene in line by
subdued flirting with him. I am especially sorry that Gene pulled that
outrageous manuver to get back on. I hope you are now clear of his bull
shit. On another tack, I never knew much about you Steve. Would you
mind sharing with me a few facts about yourself: what you do for a
living, are you married, how old you are, what brought you into psi
research and what's your favorite area of psi. Anyway best wishes with
your new projects.
Best Regards!
Bill
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Congrats for job on the List!
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/930)
11:04:31
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Ahhh...gee...I made a boo boo...I thought you could get in trouble for flaming
folks..especially if you used profanity and especially if you thought the
offended party was not going to be able to see what was being
said...gee..foolish me...thinking that there would not be dual standards on
the....list one for the plebians and one for the PHDs...BTW..Bill...as I told
you in a previous posting that you sent to me as personal note concerning you
success in scoring with women on the net...I quote again what I told you
then..."I do not use the net for dating purposes and resent any implication
that I do..".no matter how lucky you claimed to be...gee Bill does you wife
know about this...
Gene...
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Whats it feel like?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/931)
11:04:47
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> Thanks for the URL I will look into it later today. By the way, what field
> did you say you were in? Sounds to me like you are a very knowledgeable asset
> to the list.
>
Thanks for the compliment Ken...I am glad to be here gleaning information also.
I am a Computer Specialist and Technician by study and trade and aspiring to PhD
candidacy. I work in a University environment, so being around doctors all day
rubs off. I am interested in the field of Artificial Intelligence in Computer
Science. One thing led to another ... now I am caught up in the psi phenomenon
after becoming aquainted with Cognitive materials. I suppose I should have or
should become a Cognitive Scientist after all this time since I have spent
quite
a bit of time and money researching the area to establish a knowledge base and
apply for a doctorate program. I have ran into multi-discipline requirements to
understand the mind. From Philosophy to Brain anatomy to Parapsychology on top
of
my professional requirement of keeping abreast with the ever changing computer
technology. Remote Viewing has captured my interest and I figured well --- why
not
apply what I learn about consciousness to RV and make it a serious hobby.
I am hoping to take the Lyn Buchanan school of RV someday once the cash rolls in
and if he is available...., I have already surveyed (and presently looking into
the Bevy's RV method) a couple of RV methods. I haven't subscribe to any
particular one as yet, I am still very open.
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Whats it feel like?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/932)
11:05:38
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> Tell me, do you subscribe to the idea that we are actually operating from
the
> sub-conscious, thus the supra-conscious, instead of the consciousness level.
> Meaning...that the consciousness, as the ego, filters information that is
being
> fed by the "lower" levels?
Ken: I believe we operate primarily on the conscious level in terms of our
physical awareness and interface with the conventional senses, but that
thought is a parallel distributive process. All areas of the brain play a
role in how we process the environment and our superficial awareness. I
suspect that some areas of the brain are not in communication directly with
our conscious awareness but are stimulated by association. We respond to our
environment from a much deeper level all of the time. An example could be
hunches or premonitions we experience while traveling. Some folks anticipate
problems or danger and make adjustments while driving, or refuse to fly
suddenly when they have never felt a sense of anxiety about doing so before.
Some folks suddenly become aware that something has happened to a friend or
family member some distance away, or will think of someone and the phone will
ring and the person they were thinking of is on the line...
It happens every day...
In terms of evolution, I suspect we were much more precognitive in ancient
times, relying more on our intuition and precognitive skills to find game,
water, shelter etc... Those who demonstrated the ability to do so consistently
became the tribal shaman or spiritual leader. Certainly skills, experience
and conventional memory play a role. However, I can't help but think that our
ancient ancestors were more intune with this process than we are, though they
possessed much less in the way of critical thinking skills. We have, through
rational processes, reduced our dependence on this function. We rely more on
conventional memory, logic and science to survive rather than gut instinct,
hunches and premonitions because the payoff is better.
Electrix: I recently gleaned that there has been studies made whereby it takes
>consciousness
> a few seconds to process the data for the body to react...since, by
conjecture, it
>is "processing" information at that time that the sub-conscious is
> delivering...this theory would fall neatly with your statement that we
access
> precognition "normally." Because paranormal experience is an activity
relegated
> in the supra and sub-conscious state which in turn is accessing non-
locality. It
> would also validate RV process in that we must get the "ego" out of the way
or
> keep it busy to allow the flow of data. What's your thought on this?
Ken:Actually, I think we process the environment fairly quickly through our
conventional senses and react to it in terms of reflexes but I suspect the
future influences most decisions we make on a day to day basis to varying
degrees. Much of the time we don't consciously project our decisions into the
future on routine tasks, but we process the consequences of our decisions on a
subconscious level all of the time and that is incorporated into our actions.
We may be accessing nonlocal information by association all of the time, but
our conscious and rational processes appear on the surface to direct most of
the action.
Electrix:Also, it doesn't surprise me that people that are considered to be
>schizophrenic
> or the like, would have paranormal activities. It is not unlike the minds
of
> geniuses...where there is a tread line between their "insanity" and
"creativity"
> and their source of inspiration generates --- the subsconscious made active.
>>
Ken:I don't know how much of that activity is potentially accurate psi and how
much is random unconscious noise. Most appears to be unconscious noise rooted
in the individuals self perception and self esteem. The ego conflict and self
perceptions set the stage for the content of the hallucinations or delusions.
In some cases I suspect it is a psi function or related to the same process
which enables us to communicate non locally with points in the future. I know
it seems like a stretch but I will keep thinking about it.
Regards,
Ken
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Rules
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/933)
11:05:56
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Dear Angela and list members,
I obviously broke the new rules albeit by accident so in deference to
getting the new list manager off to a quiet start, I will unsubscribe
myself for a few weeks and see how it goes after that.
To PJ: I apologize for saying that you had "subdued flirting" with
Gene. Banish the thought. It was only a bad joke!.
Best Wishes to all,
Bill
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Whats it feel like?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/934)
11:06:38
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> Ken:I don't know how much of that activity is potentially accurate psi and how
> much is random unconscious noise. Most appears to be unconscious noise rooted
> in the individuals self perception and self esteem. The ego conflict and self
> perceptions set the stage for the content of the hallucinations or delusions.
> In some cases I suspect it is a psi function or related to the same process
> which enables us to communicate non locally with points in the future. I know
> it seems like a stretch but I will keep thinking about it.
>
Well..here is something to think about...
I subject depriving himself of REM sleep would actually hallucinate and be
deluded. Seems like there is a tendency for the subconscious level to take
*prominence* over consciousness, in so doing we excluding consciousness as a
filter and decision maker. We are also allowing the subconscious to resolve
daily
problems un-hindered by "logic." And as you might well know, occasionally we
do
come up with solutions the next mornings or exercise precognition during the
night
in dreams to solve future problems
Some psychoanalyst theorize (sp) that during sleep we shut down the memory; thus
awareness faculty, for "maintenance," while it leaves the subconscious to roam
freely. But I would like to make a minor distinction that it doesn't "shut
down." The process, it seems to me, is allowing the subconscious overlap
forward
and exercise its own inherent function by *disallowing* the consciousness logic
*control* feature. Also, these researchers may not be factoring the aspect of
memory cell. Certain sleep researchers comment that we "erase" whatever comes up
in the memory while we sleep to allow for "maintenance" schedule, when in
reality
we ARE able to keep the dream information in our memory...especially during
lucid
dreaming recall. So there seems to be a conflict regarding this consciousness
"shut down" theory.
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/935)
11:06:57
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> Hi Bill and all;
> Liam here. Bill, Does this mean I have another convert for the Magic school
> of RV. Just to be fair, let me point out the Matrix theory of RV which says
> you are really not going to the site but to a matrix (accessible by the
> subconscious) where all information is stored. This would give you the
> experience of going to the black hole without being sucked in by the bloody
> thing. The matrix also explains how we can RV the past. Or you can join we
> Irish, say its magic and not worry about all the impossibilities.
>
Yes...I can understand that we are parsing data to the consciousness stream...
but it would seem that because of the possibility to bi-locate, there would be a
stream of abnormal emotions and perceptions related to being sucked in to the
Hole, no?
If it is the case...Bill's concern for the mechanic of how that would work in a
Quantum framework would be curious. Although, frankly, I don't think it has
much to do with Quantum theory at this point since the Black Hole operates at a
macro activity where the Laws of Physics are considerably different than the sub
particle quantum world.
To put it more secularly, I would think that there would be a magnitude of
mental distortion effect if one was to bi-locate in the Black Hole. Of course,
this would open-up a can of worms that RVing something dangerous can ultimately
affects one's health. Is this possible?
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re-submission:What it feels like
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/936)
11:07:34
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> Ken:I don't know how much of that activity is potentially accurate psi
and how
> much is random unconscious noise. Most appears to be unconscious
noise rooted
> in the individuals self perception and self esteem. The ego conflict
and self
> perceptions set the stage for the content of the hallucinations or
delusions.
> In some cases I suspect it is a psi function or related to the same
process
> which enables us to communicate non locally with points in the
future. I know
> it seems like a stretch but I will keep thinking about it.
>
[PLEASE NOTE: I had to resubmit this reply since the former one was
incoherent, sorry about that, I sent it prematurely]
Well..here is something to think about...
A subject, depriving himself of a considerable amount of REM sleep,
would actually hallucinate and be
deluded during his day activity. Thus, it seems like there is a
tendency for the subconscious state to take
*prominence* over consciousness, and in so doing , excludes
consciousness as a filter and decision maker during that sleepless
period.
This would mean that there is a tremendous need for the subconscious to
be active. In doing so, the subconscious can occasionally resolves daily
problems un-hindered by "logic" of consciousness. And as you might
well know, this is validated by the fact that we occasionally *do*
come-up with solutions the next mornings or exercise precognition during
the night in dreams to solve future problems
Some psychoanalyst theorize (sp) that during sleep we shut down the
memory; thus awareness faculty, for "maintenance," while it leaves the
subconscious to roam freely. But I would like to make a minor
distinction that it doesn't "shut
down." The process, it seems to me, it's allowing the subconscious to
overlap forward and exercise its own inherent function by *disallowing*
the consciousness logic *control* feature. Also, these researchers may
be incorrectly factoring aspect of memory cell retention. Certain sleep
researchers comment that we easily "erase" whatever detail memory we
have of dreams as soon as we wake up in the morning and are thus not
kept in long-term memory. They suggest that the memory cells have a
tendency to "forget" to keep up with the "maintenance" schedule on
brain activity or to proctect the psyche, when apparently ---if properly
trained to be conscious of our dream (lucid dreaming),--- we ARE able
to keep the dream information in our long term memory. So there seems
to be a conflict regarding this consciousness "shut down" and memory
erasure theory...,or perhaps, something I don't quite grasp.
In any case, to get to my point...the subconscious seems to want to play
a role as an active element...either as a psi impulse or at night time
when we rest the analytical mind.
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Congrats for job on the List!
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/937)
11:08:22
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Gene, take a valium if you need to and chill out.
This is exactly the kind of response that caused the original problems, and if
you
can not see the difference between your response and Bill's you have really lost
your perspective.
If you feel the need to attack me now because I have just said the Emperor has
no
clothes, go for it. For an email post to generate such a survival attack
response you must be in horrendous pain, and I hope it subsides soon. I will be
sending you lots of love and hope you feel better.
You have so much value to share and this kind of reply is getting in the way.
I
really value your knowledge and experience and contribution to our country, you
have given so much, but your posts the last few week are much more vehement than
your normally charming but in your face replies which most times I found
amusing.. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.
Aloha Yaana
Curran2106@... wrote:
> Ahhh...gee...I made a boo boo...I thought you could get in trouble for flaming
> folks..especially if you used profanity and especially if you thought the
> offended party was not going to be able to see what was being
> said...gee..foolish me...thinking that there would not be dual standards on
> the....list one for the plebians and one for the PHDs...BTW..Bill...as I told
> you in a previous posting that you sent to me as personal note concerning you
> success in scoring with women on the net...I quote again what I told you
> then..."I do not use the net for dating purposes and resent any implication
> that I do..".no matter how lucky you claimed to be...gee Bill does you wife
> know about this...
> Gene...
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Crap.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/938)
11:09:10
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Angela why did you let all the crap from bill p go thru?? and yanna.??
Genes south sea belle??? hehehehe ding-a-ling ding dong.
You damn, damn well know gene was still subscribed... well hell sleep well. I
give friggin up. Ya know, the few of you that feed, really make me sick.
ERVing has turned into some sick hormonal ahhhh excuse me, ....Gene, ...
sensual (sexy?) side show. Great. And I am starting to teach this, I have 2
students s now?? what the hell am I passing on?? a freakin curse?
Perhaps it's best I stick to my roots. Robert Monroe... he never, never, ever
made a pass at me.... neeeeeeeever even thought it. I think I will go home to
Skip and Joe.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: target/Bevy J
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/939)
11:09:57
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If anyone is going to go against the target I submitted, please use your
learned methods as in any other case.
As you know, my personal training methods and learned protocols or techniques
may or may not differ from those formerly taught via SRI and in military
programs. I have absolutely no disagreement with any of these. Whatever works
for you, use it.
Please do utilize the methods you have learned, just as I do. :)
Bevy J
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re-submission:What it feels like
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/940)
11:20:23
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<< A subject, depriving himself of a considerable amount of REM sleep,
would actually hallucinate and be
deluded during his day activity. Thus, it seems like there is a
tendency for the subconscious state to take
*prominence* over consciousness, and in so doing , excludes
consciousness as a filter and decision maker during that sleepless
period.
This would mean that there is a tremendous need for the subconscious to
be active. In doing so, the subconscious can occasionally resolves daily
problems un-hindered by "logic" of consciousness. And as you might
well know, this is validated by the fact that we occasionally *do*
come-up with solutions the next mornings or exercise precognition during
the night in dreams to solve future problems
I suspect that deja-vu is what happens when we find ourselves in a situation
we have dreamt in detail before. You are probably on the right track but it
appears that the conscious mind does not commit to conscious memory the vast
majority of dreams we have each night. We dream for hours with each dream
lasting for no more than a few minutes. We don't remember the overwhelming
majority of these. We only remember the last dream(s) we had before we awake.
The rest are unconscious and only present themselves in the form of deja-vu or
thoughts by association.
Some psychoanalyst theorize (sp) that during sleep we shut down the
memory; thus awareness faculty, for "maintenance," while it leaves the
subconscious to roam freely. But I would like to make a minor
distinction that it doesn't "shut
down." The process, it seems to me, it's allowing the subconscious to
overlap forward and exercise its own inherent function by *disallowing*
the consciousness logic *control* feature. Also, these researchers may
be incorrectly factoring aspect of memory cell retention. Certain sleep
researchers comment that we easily "erase" whatever detail memory we
have of dreams as soon as we wake up in the morning and are thus not
kept in long-term memory. They suggest that the memory cells have a
tendency to "forget" to keep up with the "maintenance" schedule on
brain activity or to proctect the psyche, when apparently ---if properly
trained to be conscious of our dream (lucid dreaming),--- we ARE able
to keep the dream information in our long term memory. So there seems
to be a conflict regarding this consciousness "shut down" and memory
erasure theory...,or perhaps, something I don't quite grasp.
Lucid dreams seem to occur in a hypnogogic or hypnopompic state when we are on
the verge of awakening, and as such they are retained in our accessible
memory. I have had numerous dreams in such states and was aware that I was
dreaming. As soon as I become aware of the dream I wake up and can't control
them. Wish I could. It would be interesting to see where they lead.
In any case, to get to my point...the subconscious seems to want to play
a role as an active element...either as a psi impulse or at night time
when we rest the analytical mind.
>>
Agreed, we are functioning on numerous levels at all times. Unconscious and
conscious. The collaboration of the conscious and the unconscious creates the
stage for all of our decisions.
Regards,
Ken
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: target 'form'
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/941)
11:20:39
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Jean Luc:
I will gladly send you an example of the official RV Form the Psi Squad uses
now and since our inception in 71
.
Unlike Dr. Radin's or other 'forms' it has no 'fill-in' blanks other than the
name of viewer, coordinates, date, etc. sorry.
If you will get out your Manual and look at the extra sheet COMMAND QUESTION
RESPONSE you will find specifics of that type. If you have misplaced it,
please let me know and I will send one to France along with the RV Form.
Bevy J
PS: Am doing Sightings tomorrow 8/13
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: RV and altered states Q..
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/942)
11:20:54
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Tao sk8tr
imho and experience, precognition does not necessarily 'happen' only during
dreams and/or altered states.
In my own work in learning to use these things I found that the most major
piece of work was to recognize that we just have never understood what 'time'
is as an artifact. (I know I know, we did a lot of work on what 'time' is ;))
It is true that we must live within a framework of some kind, but to all
appearances, there is little or no separation between present/past/future to
the human mind. It may be that during dream states some persons are more able
to perceive this lack of separation.
Bevy J
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re:One more thing!
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/943)
11:21:21
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Gene,
You really did yourself a misservice with what youve been posting now.
I NEVER boasted of any conquests on the net! The one comment I made to
you was man/man in privacy when I TRIED to make friends with you and
bury the hatchet when I found out you were so ill. It was only made as a
means of making contact on mutual grounds and went something like "there
are really a lot of attractive women on this list". Strickly pub talk
between guys and supposed to be private. Pathetic! Furthermore, my
lovely wife would not mind the minor amount of flirting I did do, rather
she would congratulate my taste. I do not want this to continue to
disturb the discussion of various psi topics so I will unsubscribe now
for a couple of weeks and then resubscribe if Angela approves.
Again, best to all
Bill
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Dream Memory Events
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/944)
11:21:35
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> You are probably on the right track but it
> appears that the conscious mind does not commit to conscious memory the vast
> majority of dreams we have each night. We dream for hours with each dream
> lasting for no more than a few minutes. We don't remember the overwhelming
> majority of these. We only remember the last dream(s) we had before we awake.
> The rest are unconscious and only present themselves in the form of deja-vu or
> thoughts by association.
Hmmmm...this is of course, we don't resort to to artificial access of buried
memories. I am under the assumption that in the abyss of our mind we keep an
accurate record of the event but our conscious mind deems it necessary to
"forget." This seems to be more in your sphere of discipline. Do we retain
that
potential to remember all dreams whether through hypnosis or psychoanalytical
association? Or do you believe we permanently erase dreams we "forget"?
It also makes me wonder if --- with a tool like RV --- we can stream data from a
person's dream events. A bit abstract, I suppose...but I do believe if we can
RV
the mythology of a culture...why not dreams. Not sure how a target like that
could be setup. Can any of you Pro RVing jocks help me out here?
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Physical Inclemencies
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/945)
11:21:53
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I'm with Monika:
I have never found backaches, headaches (not migraine) or other physical
problems to be a hindrance to remote viewing.
The only 'hindrance' encountered within my experience and that of my group
and trainees over the years seems to be liquor (sorry if stepping on Irish
toes:) )
and some kinds of drugs ranging from antihistamines to other prescription
drugs.
Bevy J
U.S.PsiSquad
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: International RV-spy List
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/946)
11:22:04
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Jean Luc:
lol If there WAS such a List you'd have to be a graduate Rv'er to gain
access to it...which could only be done by Rv'ing, which can only be done
by......
So you see? No List. ;)
Bevy J
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: : about the RV Russian threat
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/947)
11:22:20
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Right Dirk:
There was a good deal of talk and coverage about it in the Scientific Press
much prior to the seventies,actually in the very early sixties, which is what
originally caused me to become interested in doing articles about it, which is
what stimulated me to try some of the techniques myself, and finally to begin
the learning curve.
The references can be found in the Library.
Ostrander and Schroeder began their first book Psychic Discoveries Behind the
Iron Curtain in, I believe 67.
Also, Drs Tart, Puthoff, Targ and Radin should be able to confirm that.
Bevy J
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: RV and altered states Q..
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/948)
11:22:41
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> It is true that we must live within a framework of some kind, but to all
> appearances, there is little or no separation between present/past/future to
> the human mind. It may be that during dream states some persons are more able
> to perceive this lack of separation.
> Bevy J
BINGO!!!....dream state ignores 'time' altogether. In fact we experience time
dilation. What seems like a few minute to the outside world is hours of
dreaming
for me. A most native state of consciousness. I have also notice this "lack of
separation" in kids up to 2 years old...where the label "tomorrow" is not
understood since they are closer to the native state. Or as I understand it,
dogs
for example, view everything from the instance of the moment. Is like
everything
is happening in each and new unit of time ... judging from their enthusiastic
behavior when they don't see their master for a length of time.
And as we know...kids are more predisposed to psi ability. Somewhat unrelated
to
the above paragraph...I recently tested a 10 year old by fronloading her with a
photo. I asked her to quickly describe to me things about the person in the
photo.
She proceeded to rattle on ..real quick with no hesitancy as I encouraged her.
Majority of the things she said match with the scenario of what the person was
going through in the person's life or the character of the person as I know the
person to be or situation that was occurring in that person's life.
Utterly AMAZING!
P.S. I am presently being boggled by the thought that the NOW (present) is
illusive in that we are changing (movement) continually in the into the future.
Hardly a discrete phenomena. In our mind, of course, we choose to "freeze" the
moment.
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Sightings...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/949)
11:22:55
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USPsiSquad@... wrote:
> J
> PS: Am doing Sightings tomorrow 8/13
>
At what time PST time?
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/950)
11:23:13
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electrix.
We (the Squad) have not found a problem with Rv'ing 'dangerous' people,
places or things. They are ugly, unpleasant,really frightening, sickening,
disgusting sometimes but do not affect our reality, for whatever reason.
We are observers sort of like the 'probe' droid in SW. :) but can also
apply the main physical senses which is another prop to the thought that these
'senses' are NOT AT ALL physical. And we can 'go in' and 'come out' at will.
I, like you, have always grappled with the science/magic framework, only
because there are some things that go bump in the night and we still don't
know what they are. It is the constant pursuit of them that fascinates us,
right?
(And, only one of us, apparently, likes to luxuriate in black hole
territory... :)) )
Bevy J
PS: I think you are already in Cognitive Science, my good friend.... :)
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re-submission:What it feels like
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/951)
11:23:36
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btw that Listserv.az.edu url did not work.
Did I do it wrong?
B.J.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Sightings...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/952)
11:23:45
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7 pm pacific coast time, 9 pm central 10 pm east coast
I think :)
Bevy J
stargate : Message: [stargate]
up late?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/953)
11:23:58
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electrix:
lol what on earth is 'Bevy RV' ? lol Should it be BRV?
Either you are up late answering me or I am up late answering you.
Whatever..
.
I tried to include all I have experienced about 'time' in my Course, and in
more detail in my new book (with comments from others) I ran up against this
problem early on, and for six years of viewing present and past still thought
you could not rv the future until I tried it once. Then I knew it was all the
same. What a revelation! Mind-blower! Oh gosh! As I was quoted on
ArtBell a week or so ago "time, space and thought are all the same thing"
It's nice to hear yourself quoted, even if the quotee didn't remember where he
heard that!....:) lol
It (time) is elastic. What do you mean 'dilation'? same thing?
We can return again and again to the few moments before a homicide victim
dies. THAT is 'frozen' We do not go forward beyond that moment, but it took
a good many years to discover that a homicide victim, dying, is ANGRY. (no
matter what other emotions are going on) That's another conundrum...
Bevy J
Then, too, you must remember that when I began this study in the early 60's I
also said 'you can't turn psi on and off like a light switch' ANOTHER
'wrongism'...
But at that time, that's what I thought to be true. We can only come to
conclusions about things we have experienced over time, thought about,
questioned about and concluded about..... lol ;)
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Crap.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/954)
11:24:27
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These guys will never grow up. If they have nothing real to bitch about they
make
up stuff.... what the hell is this supposed to be about???
With the HRVG online group starting up.. I do not have time for this kind of
"crap".
I had hoped that the group would become self policing, but everyone is so afraid
of becoming a target, they encourage bad behavior by not calling it want it is.
Their silence is seen as agreement, oh the Emperor's new clothes are so
wondrous.
To speak up when someone is obviously out of line does not mean you have to
flame
them, but it does mean you have to have the courage to speak up.
Please unsubscribe me.
Aloha Yaana
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: up late?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/955)
11:24:40
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Yeah...up late and about to go home....I am at the office...
Well Bevy...you should go for it --- BRV it is!
By "dilation" I mean the common description we use in the the language to
describe
the phenomena of time a la Einstein. Of course, I am of the same belief as yours
per your Course. And just to add Tabasco Sauce to your 'time'
revelation...Aristotle, Plato and Immanuel Kant would agree with your concept of
time. These guys proposed that 'time' is just a reference. It took Einstein to
drive the idea home by introducing the General Theory of Relativity to make it
obvious that 'time' is a matter a of viewpoint when we introduce distance. I
mean... it boggles the mind to think that looking beyond several light years
into
space we are "experiencing" the past and likewise, the light-year *being* is
looking into our future!
electrix
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Einstein and fountain pens
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/956)
11:25:24
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Electrix
As a confirmed (confused) Einsteinian, I have to agree that he seems to have
been right in almost everything he said, although the QT guys lately are
questioning some of it. lol
Oh well, no target is ever put up except to be 'shot' at...
Right?
Bevy J
BTW: Since we are 'baring' ourselves as to what we 'do' I am a journalist by
trade, columnist, features writer, photo-journalist, antiques writer for ATW,
short storyist, and- 'gulp'- poet. I have a large family, a bird feeder, a
fountain, a weird sense of humor (welsh) and have been very happily married
for lo these many long years. ;)
I am also a fountain pen historian, (real wet ink pens, guys) and am
completing my two dozenth book which is on antique inkwells, fountain pens and
truly quaint office equipment of the no-deodorant, no-air conditioning days,
for Landmark.
In my spare time (hah) I do terrible art in acrylics, read millions of books
(mostly on psychology,biography, history and criminal behaviors)while
squinting, lovingly repair cranky old fountain pens and do what is laughingly
called 'gardening'. (brown thumb type)
The really spare time is spent in the Psi Squad. I am a Licensed P.I.
Lecturing and teaching PSI and Motivation. (definitely not the same thing)
;)
Okay let's the rest of ya tell yer story...
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: ERV
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/957)
11:26:00
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Please excuse me for jumping in..but you appear to have so much to offer your
students, it would be a tragic loss for them as well as for ERV. >>
......I am using your post anonymously. I hope you dont mind.
Listen to me,ERV is NOTHING more than an altered state. Repeat, NOTHING more
than an altered state. (an altered state for viewing the physicall-
nonphysical universe)There is nothing more to an altered state than what
you put into it, or how you view this state.
When we shift out view, when we become more true essence, naturally
we become more AWARE of our energy or what we really (reality) are.
Energy vortexes open up. You will feel this during your cloud breathing.
Our base chakra opens, our root chakra, our connection our oneness to
Tara. (earth). Why heck this feels grand, this feels free, this feels loving.
Some would refer to it as sensual, going as far as to say
(by the way this is bringing it back to physical) sex-y.
That is their point of view, it is one point of view.
ERV does not need to become erotic.
It is simply an altered state.
I consider my self to be a decent viewer. Very much a rookie, but I know
where open base chakras, open chakras in general, can lead too.
I can go into an altered state, view a target, nail it, be one with the
universe, and never even think of an orga**. Also your choice of
garmets, or lack of during an ERV session or training, does not matter
a hill o beans.
my two cents... ~T~
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Re-submission:What it feels like
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/958)
11:26:24
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<< btw that Listserv.az.edu url did not work.
Did I do it wrong?
>>
B J,
I think it's listserv@...
Ken
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Re: Re: Whats it feel like?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/959)
11:26:43
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<< I'm not sure that George is really communicating with the dead, but he
appears
> to me to be one hell of a precognitive psychic, always knowing what
questions
> to ask and answers to give his clients.
Would you be so kind as to give us George Anderson book's title and ISBN ?
Sounds interesting.
>>
I would like to add a disclaimer here... I have not read his books and have
been intending to secondary to the rave reviews he has gotten from an
acquaintance of mine locally here on Long Island. Personally I'm a major
skeptic when it comes to mediums but I have seen video demonstrations of
George's readings and he does know how to work his clients pretty well.
There are apparently three books out which are attributed to George Anderson.
They are entitled: WE DO NOT DIE
WE ARE NOT FORGOTTEN
OUR CHILDREN FOREVER
From what I understand George lives in Lindenhurst on Long Island and came to
my attention through an acquaintance who attempted to contact his mother
through him.
I'm not a believer in mediums or spiritualism, but I find his popularity
interesting after all of the debunking of mediums and spiritualism well over
half a century ago. His accuracy in working his clients may be due to a
precognitive knowledge of what his clients will tell him as opposed to
conversing with their deceased relatives???
Ken
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/960)
11:27:04
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>> To put it more secularly, I would think that there would be a magnitude of
>> mental distortion effect if one was to bi-locate in the Black Hole. Of
course,
>> this would open-up a can of worms that RVing something dangerous can >> >>
>> ultimately affects one's health. Is this possible?
Wait a minute! As a Humble Know-Nothing, I was under the impression that
bilocation was not involved in RV. Or is it involved in ERV but not CRV?
Can someone straighten this out?
-- John Burke
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/961)
11:27:25
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>.........I will enclose an application form to the
>Irish School of RV and a list of pubs in your area where we meet on a
>regular basis to discuss magic, the wee folk, and green eyed, virginal,
>Celtic maidens.
I don't know about reincarnation (not trying to start another topic), but I
have always thought that a soul once born Irish must be Irish forever, no
matter where it winds up again.
This Irish soul has, in this lifetime, wound up a graduate of the O'Newton
school (Logic based on the principle of, "See what works, then if it works,
let's not just do it, let's make a rule about it and try to look smart".
Therefore, I would feel like a traitor to the alma mater if I applied for
membership in the strictly Irish school. Maybe next incarnation.
But if you'd care to send that list of pubs and maidens.....
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: No real target
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/962)
11:29:24
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At 07:28 PM 8/12/98 +0200, you wrote:
>What happens to the RV'er when s/he is trying to view
>a target that doesn't exist?
(snip)
>I once tried to RV a simple drawing which a friend
>of mine assured me he had taped on his door. But
>in reality he had just forgotten to do this.
>While 'viewing' the only thing I got was an angry feeling.
Often, that's what happens. It also happens to me when someone is "tasking
a lie". That is, tasking something which doesn't exisst, just to "see how
good you are".
In the military unit, one Director once had all the viewers do a target
which he said was urgent and of top importance. 4 of the 6 viewers got
"the attack on Pearl Harbor" (and a lot of confusion as to why they got
that). He called the viewers together and ranted and raved, threatened us
with punishment if we gave him "...any more of the s&^t", and then
proceeded to work us every day for the next 26 days on the urgent target.
At the end of it, he gave us the feedback. The target was an article about
the attack on Pearl Harbor. When we challenged him on it, he smiled and
replied, "If you were REALLY psychic, you would have known I was lying."
Needless to say, the damage he did to the unit that day was just about
irrepairable. We suffered a lot under that director.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Back to Star Gate : Thanks
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/963)
11:29:39
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> I am anxiously awaiting your poster! I think it is a great idea. Do you
>know approximately when it will be available? Thanks.
I have seen Angela's poster, and can tell you that it is an awesome work.
A LOT of work and effort have gone into it, and I, too, am waiting to get a
copy. Any news when it will come out?
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/964)
11:30:02
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>Thankyou for your reply. OK strike the word ERV. I understand that you
>hate to see specific terms get generalized into practically
>everything...but I think you need a nomenclature meeting or something.
>Many, perhaps most of the people "viewing" on this site are not using a
>monitor, yet persist in calling their viewing some kind of RV. In this
>case I mean Perseiving a Target with Psi during an LD. How about calling
>it a "PTPLD".
Then there could be MNWYWUITMRV (Making Notes When You Wake Up In The
Morning Remote Viewing, and ....... :-}
I think that a nomenclature meeting is definitely in order, but don't think
it would do any good. The original jumping on the bandwagon for using the
term "remote viewing" came about mainly from the scientific acceptance of
the term, and then a lot of people wanting to use it to get a little of
that scientific acceptance to rub off on what they were doing.
Now, before that gets people angry, let me say that most people nowadays
aren't trying to do that, but have just accepted the term as the modern
term for "being psychic".
The term "remote viewing" has already been generalized to the point where
it means so many things that it no longer has a meaning. I don't mind
that. (Well, actually, I do mind, but....) What I really feel is sad is
the fact that the other terms have been abandoned in the process. It makes
us lose a lot of the richness of diversity we once had in this field. I
have had people send me their business cards and letter, stating that they
are "crystal ball remote viewers", "aura remote viewers", "palm remote
viewers", etc. I had one woman send me a message saying that she had
uncovered an ancient form of remote viewing which her grandmother used to
do. To do it, you start by having someone drink a cup of tea which was
made by leaving the tea leaves in the cup. Then, when there are only the
leaves left..... etc. Believe it or not, she called it TLRV (Tea Leaf
Remote Viewing).
Aside from losing a richness of diversity language-wise, there is also the
fact that a lot of research and development has been done concerning such
things as "scrying", "aura reading", "palmestry", etc. These things were
mostly developed through the "Irish school" of seeing what works and what
doesn't. They existed because people found out that, in some way or
another, they worked. A lot of human history has gone into them. Now, all
that history and back knowledge tends to get ignored because we aren't
willing to say the words, any more.
We don't have to dump the term "guided imagery" and call it "ERV" just
because you get images in ERV. "Guided imagery" should not be a socially
unacceptable term. It is a great information gathering tool in itself.
What sensible mechanic would throw one wrench out of his toolkit just
because he got another one? He won't. He'll keep the old one, no matter
how rusty and bent, simply because he knows that one day, there'll be that
job that the new one won't do, but the old one will.
We don't have to be ashamed to say the old words. Those words stood for
some really great and really reliable things. Not everything has to be one
kind of "remote viewing" or another.
ERV and Lucid Dreaming ARE NOT the same. The two can be tasked against
different things, they have their different strengths and weaknesses, and
they are done differently. If you know that, you can study the two
differently, and come up with TWO tools, where you previously had only one.
What a loss if we try to toss one or the other aside because of semantics.
I tried casting runes once, and was astounded by the effectiveness of it.
Why does it work? Who knows. There is probably a scientific reason
concerning the subconscious mind's control of the stones in such a way as
to...... etc. I don't care! It worked! I got some valuable information
that I wouldn't have gotten through CRV, ERV, or any of the other 18
accepted and formalized forms of "_RV". (Don't ask, Jean Luc - I can't
find the list anywhere. When I find it, I'll post it.) So is rune-casting
magic? Again, who cares! I got the information! Should we then make up
"Runes RV"? No need to. "Casting runes" worked! I'm all for keeping it
as is.
I'm afraid that, in the drive to make everything acceptable to the
Newtonian school, the Irish school is losing students. That's a shame,
because the Irish school was here long before Newton ever got beaned on the
head with that apple. I just don't want to see us lose our rich heritage
of albeit-Irish-school research so we can jump onto some modern bandwagon
and make everything some kind of scientific sounding "RV".
I have often felt that one of the drawbacks to the scientific acceptance of
"RV" is that we have turned our eyes away from - and are losing - some of
the "magic".
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: What It Feels Like/Einstein and Fountain Pens
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/965)
11:30:17
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Electrix and Bevy J,
I had asked Electrix to tell me a little about what he does and neglected to
explain myself so...
I'm an RN living on Long Island. I work on a 24 bed acute psychiatric unit at
a local medical center. I've been in nursing for about 18 years with
experience in medical-surgical, emergency work in the field with paramedics,
and geriatrics. My last job prior to returning to inpatient nursing recently
was as a regional director of consumer affairs for the New York State Office
of Mental Health.
I got into nursing upon the recommendation of our flight surgeon while in
Naval R&D in the 70's. I was involved in operations, administration,
communications, and aviation safety which involved aircraft accident/incident
investigations.
I've been experiencing precognition since 1969 and developed my own little
hypothesis in non-local communication between the present and future which
gives the appearance that we are seeing the future by association in a kind of
parallel spacetime. I had no idea that others were working on the same thing
as I was only 14 and had no education in physics. After I had been there and
done that I lost interest until all of the events and policy changes I had
predicted in the military began to come to pass.
It was during the late seventies that I had read a DIA brief regarding the Ft.
Meade unit and selection of personnel for the research studies, but I did not
grasp the full intent of the message at that time. Later, in 1983, I had
attempted to contact SRI regarding the Marine Expeditionary Force in Beirut
on the recommendation of a friend who worked for SRI but was stonewalled due
to the sensitive nature of the research and their source of funding. It
wasn't until 1992 that Robert Jahn and Brenda Dunne at PEAR told me about the
projects at SRI and sent me their data on RV studies which they had conducted
in the 80's at Princeton.
Since then I have been following psi and consciousness research as a hobby. I
avoid reading the newspaper and watching the news because I inevitably make
projections regarding outcomes of situations which I have no control over and
no input into. After years of being frustrated making accurate predictions
re: events and not being able to do anything with the information, I stopped
beating my head against the wall. It certainly does feel better now.... I'm
more interested in figuring out how it works as opposed to doing it.
Best Regards,
Ken
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Who's who
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/966)
11:30:38
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Dear Angela,
You recently wrote:
> Jean-Luc, you may remember from the Inner Vision Course that I am
> working on a Who's Who is Remote Viewing organizational chart and
> eventually I will make this into a poster format.
Oh yes, I remember it well (and I've even the draft your [August 2nd, 1997]
"Remote
Viewing family tree. Who's who in RV" under my eyes).You did a great job !
I really hope you put it in a poster format some day and sincerely recommend it
to
our friends on this list.
> Currently, it just has
> U.S. names and organizations but would be happy to add international
> information. Can you help me here [snip]?
>
> Kind regards
> Angela
You're a friend Angela and, as you know, I'll give you a hand with pleasure if I
can help.
So, sorry if my first suggestion concerns yet the US names and organizations ;-)
Have you already had a contact with Beverly Jaegers and the US Psi Squad, from
St-Louis (Missouri) ? She leads, in a very creative way [close from you do], a
very
well-designed course in remote viewing and has a still expanding experience with
her squad in the assistance to crime solving by RVing. Bevy and the US Psi
Squad,
have definitely, **from my point of view**, a place somewhere in your who's who.
Warm regards
Jean-Luc
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/967)
11:31:05
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>Wait a minute! As a Humble Know-Nothing, I was under the impression that
>bilocation was not involved in RV. Or is it involved in ERV but not CRV?
>Can someone straighten this out?
>
Hi all;
Liam here.
IMO opinion you do not bilocate, at least not in this physical world.
In CRV, it feels to me as if the signal line comes to me. You pick up a lot
of feeling from the site, some wonderful, some really nasty. But I do not
believe you bi-locate.
In ERV, the signal line feels the same, only it seems to me it is stronger,
the signal line not the accuracy of the information or the clarity of the
perceptions. I think because of the altered state that the line just feels
stronger. I do not believe you bilocate in ERV at least not in the same
physical world. Being a card carrying member of the Irish School, I have no
proof for what I am going to say, nor do I need any (its magic). Sometimes,
it seems to me, in ERV, that your physic or essence or what the hell ever,
goes to the site location, but not the site location in this world but to
the site in some psychic world, which is a shadow or reflection of this
reality (boy Liam you are getting a little far out. Aw wot the hey tis just
me theory, sez myself to I, there being no one else present during this
brilliant conversation). This is why I love outbound targets, where you can
go to the site physically a few minutes after viewing it in ERV. You will
recognize the site, but you also recognize the subtle shade of difference.
Thinks "look" different Something's do not show up in one of the worlds.
Also left and right and north and south quite frequently flip thought. I am
not saying this is what happens, but I offer it as one possibility. I really
do not think about it to much (leave that to my Newtonian friends). Bottom
line is it is magic and I just need to work on getting my incantations right
and learning new ones.
slainte
May the force be with you
It was a woman, who first drove me to drink. And I never had the decency
to write and thank her. ( W. C. Fields)
Liam
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Newbie Glitch
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/968)
11:31:37
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Within the past few days another, unrelated, list got spammed and the
list members received 275 identical messages. Consequently some of the
Stargate message got through to the list unmoderated. Unfortunately, it
was during this time that Bill's letter to Steve got on the list (Bill
did try to reroute the post) and it was reacted to quite unfavorably. I
just got back from reading the archives and was saddened at what I read.
Please go to the archives and reread Steve's post about list ettiquette.
Further posts that are abusive or offensive will be returned to the
sender. Bill, if you can remember to post your personal comments to the
appropriate person rather than to the list, you are welcome back on.
Kind regards
Angela Thompson Smith
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/969)
11:32:04
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At 22:58 13/08/98 +0200, Liam wrote:
>This is why I love outbound targets, where you can
>go to the site physically a few minutes after viewing it in ERV.
Does this mean on active service, hypothetically speaking of course, you
could actually rv a mission, to go and see what you are going to do.
Could you see yourself doing it.....umm....ooer.
BTW, if my question sounds dippy hippy. I don't care.
I'm celebrating my 7 year (sobriety) re-birthday today.
And telling the world, cos, I'm so bloody proud of my Self.
So, sliding slowly off the chair, Here's to next year....
Ch
e
e
r
s........ hic.........hhhhic, goofy grin, MaryD
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/970)
11:32:33
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Hi Mary and all;
Liam here
Sorry Mary, I should have explained what I met by outbound target. I will
belatedly do that now. The target takes thre people. A Viewer, a monitor,
and the outbound person. None of the three know what the target is. They
do know the time. For example 1500 hours. The viewer and the monitor
prepare to work the site at 1400 hours. The monitor tells the viewer the
site is the location of Ralph (or what eve the outbound person's name is) at
1500. The viewer then attempts to view where Ralph will be at 1500 (one
hour in the future). Ralph meanwhile is driving around. Or in Jolly old
london, walking or riding the tram o whatever. At about 1445 Ralph picks a
site at andom (you can use random number generators or whatever. I just
pick a bloody site and go there). Ralph goes to the site at 1500 hours and
interacts with the site for a period of time. He then returns to the viewer
and monitor and takes the voewer to the site. The viewer gets immediate
feedback on the site and if he/she/you were working ERV you can see how the
site looks in the "real" wrld after seeing in the ERV world.
Congratulations Mary on 7 Years. That is absolutelu fantastic. I know you
did it one day at a time. This is another reason I believe in magic. One
day without John Barlycorn is a mircle. To string 365 days times 7 years is
not only a miricle....It is magic. I am very proud of you. Keep coming
back.You know I am about three weeks older than you.
I will be off the ne for about 72 hours. I am going to a Convention up in
Tiel Holland.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
RE: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/971)
11:32:48
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Hi Mary,
Congratulations to your 7th Sobriety-Birthday! That's really great and I am
happy with you.
Love
Monika
stargate : Message: [stargate]
[Stargate] Joe McMoneagle
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/972)
11:33:04
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I talked to Joe day before yesterday to get an update on his health. After
initially getting out of the hospital, he had to go back in for a few days
because of bleeding into his lungs, but he is once again out and feeling
fine. I will be visiting with him next Tuesday, and can give you another
update then. He sounds really good on the phone.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
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Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/973)
11:33:24
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At 01:21 PM 8/13/98 EDT, John Burke wrote:
>Wait a minute! As a Humble Know-Nothing, I was under the impression that
>bilocation was not involved in RV. Or is it involved in ERV but not CRV?
>Can someone straighten this out?
I can answer as far as CRV's definiton of "bilocation" is concerned.
Almost everyone that I've talked to has a different one, to suit their own
discipline. This is for CRV, though:
Ingo Swann defined "bilocation" as that time when you buy so thoroughly
into the mental "mini virtual reality" that you start paying attention to
only those impulses coming from your subconscious, and totally ignore those
sensory impulses coming from your body. You feel like you are suddenly
"THERE!!!"
Ed Dames, having never had such an experience, began teaching that
"bilocation" means any time you are sitting in session getting impressions
from "out there". Therefore, according to Ed, any time you have site
contact, you are "bilocating". This is quite a bit different from what
Ingo teaches. However, that started an erroneous definition in people's
minds about CRV's bilocation, and it is hard to get rid of.
The "bilocation" experience (a la Ingo) is tremendous! It has happened to
me 9 times over the last 16 years of viewing, and it is phenomenal! It is
also something which, the harder you try to make it happen, the less likely
it is to happen. Therefore, it sneaks up on you when you least expect it.
To hopefully put an argument to rest before it starts --- CRV's BILOCATION
IS NOT THE SAME AS OOBE!!! There are not only big experiential
differences, but there are also some capability differences. For example,
in an OOBE, you can go through walls, etc. In (specifically CRV's)
"bilocation" experience, you can't. It is just like being there. You can
get hit and hurt, you can touch (but not move) things, etc. OOBE is very
prone to analogous perception, where CRV's "bilocation" isn't. There are
other differences, and they have been logged and documented, so PLEASE,
let's not get into an argument about CRV's bilocation and OOBE being the
same thing. If someone argues that, they have probably had an OOBE, but I
can bet you for certain that they haven't had a >>>specifically CRV<<<
"bilocation" experience. The two are different things, can be used as
different tools, can be tasked for different types of information, etc.
'nuff said.
Surprisingly enough, Ingo teaches that the "bilocation" experience in CRV
is a bad thing and should be avoided, if possible. Monitors are supposed
to catch the viewer who is going into a bilocation experience and tell them
a joke, ask them about their family, their car, or do something to pull
them out of it. The reason is that when you are in one of those states,
you don't report what you are getting. Then, you come back and have to
summarize things. CRV isn't about summarizing - it is about controlled
access of information and details.
While I love the experience, I have to agree with him. The summarizing of
what you've just experienced always loses a LOT. It is much more effective
and productive to plod along with the structure, getting one detailed
impression after another.... (yawn)
In the end, you have to decide what you're in all this for. If it's the
information, then a CRVer would stay out of the bilocation experience. If
it's a practice target, no lives are at stake, and you're there for the
sheer joy of doing it, go for it.
Lyn Buchanan, Problems Solutions Innovations
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: ALERT!- Trouble with Stargate TURNOVER!
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/974)
11:33:58
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Angela Thompson has not been able to do ANY moderation! She was SPAMMED
from one of her other list sites and has been crashed at both the Las Vegas
site and also somehow from STARGATE itself!
A TROUT IN THE MILK! Some timing. Please understand the situation she's in.
She's trying to dig out of the problem and can only reach ARCHIVES from
STARGATE at present.
Let's all give our support. Angela will moderate as an INDEPENDANT RV
moderator as soon as the problem is resolved, even tho she still has her
own INNERVISION site.
CRV, ERV, TRV, SRV, BRV, etc as long as it works and as long the rules are
adhered to.
Yaana, THERE WAS NO MODERATION going on recently. STRANGE TIMING.
Thank you folks for your patience until things are squared up.
DH
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: : about the RV Russian threat
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/975)
11:34:30
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Thanks Bevy,
I was actually referring even more narrowly than this. I remember
when the book you mentioned came out. But by late 73, I was
aware of that the U.S. Government was also working in this area
and that the Government took what the Soviets were doing
seriously enough to investigate their work.
I can't give you a citation. I wish I could. Unfortunately, I do not
have a time line memory. And, whatever I need to trigger that
memory hasn't come along yet.
Peace
Dirk
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/976)
11:34:48
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<< proof for what I am going to say, nor do I need any (its magic).
Sometimes,
it seems to me, in ERV, that your physic or essence or what the hell ever,
goes to the site location, but not the site location in this world but to
the site in some psychic world, which is a shadow or reflection of this
reality >>
.....Ahhhh Liam, what a dear heart, great descriptive word 'essence' :-)
This question you have answered has been rolling round my mind (?) seems
forever,
sheesh and I had even forgotten it, till you answered. (gee, must be magic)
Actually I refer to it as the "frustration" now.
What I 'see'? in ERV comes to me as, well what reminds me of a very grainy
photograph, and YES! another part of the frustration is DETAIL! and as you
mentioned, described yes! a shadow reflection.... ah your so smart. :-)
When in session and I become stubborn with my self (imagine that...) and am
bound and determined to pick up detail, I can sit in this shadow world, taste,
feel, 'be', smell.. ahhh I have tried all kinds of tricks :-) sometimes, a lot
of times I just cant get detail-s.
BUT what is occuring more and more frequently to me now, is I will get a flash
picture or flash of clarity in session and simply 'know'. Dont tell you know
who, (the ogre), but this 'knowing' is much easier and quicker than the proper
Rving, descriptive, descriptive, descriptive. What the heck I just tell ya
what it is... :-) (very improper) LOL. (why if I had a student I would not let
her get way with that.. :-)
Thank you.... ~T~
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: maaaaagic Mary D.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/977)
11:35:02
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......... Congratulations Mary, you are a treasure.
I honor the place in you
in which the entire universe dwells.
I honor the place in you
which is of love, of truth,
of light, and of peace.
When you are in
that place in you,
and I am in
that place in me,
We are One.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Moderator Update
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/980)
11:35:54
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Stargate List Members. Please be patient. Steve and I are working with
the Findmail staff to rememdy the problems with the Stargate List which
seem to be located at the Stargate end. The major problems seem to be:
1. List messages are now being received by the Moderator for approval but
Findmail is sending them to the list and to the archives with a blank
message and sender info. You probably received two of these today. Please
ignor them. Any messages sent to the list today (14th) should be resent.
I have them here and I will also try and post them later today
or tomorrow.
2. The Moderator is not receiving copies of the approved messages.
I have made the list unmoderated for today while Findmail tries to remedy
these problems. Please be kind to each other. Hopefully, in this
unmoderated form you will receive this message and I will find it in the
archived list. If Findmail cannot remedy the problems then we will
probably rename the list and relocate to a fresh list. Hang in there!
Kind regards
Angela
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: [Stargate] Joe McMoneagle
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/981)
11:36:10
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>> I talked to Joe day before yesterday to get an update on his health. After
>> initially getting out of the hospital, he had to go back in for a few days
>> because of bleeding into his lungs, but he is once again out and feeling
>> fine.
Did he have another heart attack?
-- John Burke
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/982)
11:36:34
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>> Ingo Swann defined "bilocation" as that time when you buy so thoroughly
>> into the mental "mini virtual reality" that you start paying attention to
>> only those impulses coming from your subconscious, and totally ignore those
>> sensory impulses coming from your body. You feel like you are suddenly
>> "THERE!!!"
Would I be correct in assuming that the "mini virtual reality" is part of "the
Matrix"?
>> Surprisingly enough, Ingo teaches that the "bilocation" experience in CRV
>> is a bad thing and should be avoided, if possible. Monitors are supposed
>> to catch the viewer who is going into a bilocation experience and tell them
>> a joke, ask them about their family, their car, or do something to pull
>> them out of it. The reason is that when you are in one of those states,
>> you don't report what you are getting. Then, you come back and have to
>> summarize things. CRV isn't about summarizing - it is about controlled
>> access of information and details.
What about when the monitor tells the viewer to "look over your right
shoulder"?
Doesn't this imply that this type of "bilocation" is going on?
Is it wrong for the monitor to lead the viewer in this way (since it would be
indulging the viewer in such "bilocation")?
-- John Burke
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/983)
11:37:02
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>What about when the monitor tells the viewer to "look over your right
>shoulder"?
Hi John....I'm very new to all of this, but....you do have a sense of
yourself (or so it seems to me) and actually I think being told to look over
your right shoulder may be very helpful as sometimes the view seems very vast
unless something catches your attention..then everything else goes away.
Just my very inexperienced opinion...
Siochain,
Vikki
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/984)
11:37:41
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>>This is why I love outbound targets, where you can
>>go to the site physically a few minutes after viewing it in ERV.
>
I then wrote:
>Does this mean on active service, hypothetically speaking of course, you
>could actually rv a mission, to go and see what you are going to do.
>Could you see yourself doing it.
Liam, thanks for explaining about outbounders, and your (and others) kind
words, but my original question still stands. Awkward aren't I.
Could you be tasked with various outcomes to a situation by exporing
various scenarios, Plan A, Plan B, etc. Could you RV to a time ahead of the
various plans to see their liklihood of success. Could you RV it, and see
it like a rehearsal. Then go on the away mission and do it for real. Could
the RVr see themself in action, ahead of time.
Regards, MaryD.
stargate : Message: [Fwd: MODERATE -- moore@... wants to post a message to stargate]
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/985)
11:38:22
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From: DAVID MOORE
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 23:50:12 -0500
To: stargate@...
Subject: Re: [stargate] [Stargate] Joe McMoneagle
References: <3.0.32.19980813182524.006abd00@...>
I had missed seeing posts from Joe on PJ's list. My prayers are
with him for a speedy recovery. I would be great to see him posting
on this list wwhen he does recover.
David
stargate : Message: [Fwd: MODERATE -- Liam@... wants to post a message to stargate]
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/986)
11:38:43
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Hi Lyn,
Glad to see you posting again. As always, your posts add needed degrees of
clarity to the topic. Please give Joe my love. My prayers are with him.
Besides being a rock in this field, he is special human being and a really
special guy. His absence from the lists is a real loss. we need him to get
well and hurry back.
slainte
Liam
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Moderator Update
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/987)
11:38:56
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Thank you all for your patience as we got the Stargate list up and
running again. Anybody interested in the details can contact me
privately. This is a test message to ensure that the moderator function
is working. No need to save or respond.
Kind regards
Angela
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/988)
11:39:22
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Last night I walked into our front room, and to my horror a lot of stuff
was missing; video, telly, computer.. so I immediately thought we'd been
burgled! I did a 'reality check', and realised I was dreaming, so all
was OK (much relief). I then remembered that I was going to try to rv
next time I had a lucid dream, so I thought of the (luckily short) co-
ordinates I had recently been given by a friend, started to concentrate,
closed my 'dreaming' eyes (mistake!)...........and woke up dammit!
Still, I *did* remember that I wanted to try rv. Next time....
Hope it wasn't a precognitive dream .
--
All the best,
Glyn
stargate : Message: [stargate]
teaching remote viewing?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/989)
11:39:33
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can anyone give me list of people who teach RV
thanks
Eyal
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: teaching remote viewing?
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/990)
11:39:51
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[stargate] Re: teaching remote viewing?
Eyal, there is no official published list of RV courses that are
available. If you put in the key word Remote Viewing into your search
engine you will link to many of the people and groups training
individuals in various RV methods/techniques/protocols. It is then up to
you to decide who you want to train with and where and which protocol
etc. But let the buyer beware - there are many people out there who call
their courses RV but are not. Always ask the instructor where they were
trained, by whom, for how long, how much, etc. etc. An honest instructor
will give you all this information. If they say they were trained by some
shadowy figure whom they cannot name let that be a red flag.
Kind regards
Angela
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/991)
11:40:04
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>This is not correct. I'm pretty sure some of the ERV'ers on the list
>will back me up on this.
>
>Greg
>
You bet I'll back you up!!
You are not alseep during ERV.
~Sarah
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/992)
11:40:20
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John Burke
The instruction to 'look over your shoulder' is similar to remotely moving
the view field of a surveillance camera.
It does not involve bilocation in the strictest sense of the word. Only a
part of your mind is involved...not 'really' a shoulder, just a 'point of
viewing'.
If the eyes are open when doing such a task, you can see what is actually in
front of you, plus sort of 'in between' you and the surroundings, you can see
the target clearly.
Hope this helps.
Bevy J
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/993)
11:40:37
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hmm guess i didnt explained myself well...
well will you agree with me that your phisical body is in sleep state
thats what i ment
eyal
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/994)
11:41:00
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Hi Mary and all;
Liam here. One of the oubound targets I did for PJ's net was me sitting at
the computer, typing up all the outbound targets I had done during a trip to
a strange and exotic place. Behind me as I typed, and unaware of what I was
doing, was my wife Sandy and Monika. They were drinking coffee. A few
months later, Monika began RVing again. She picked that outbound site to
RV. She was able to view and identify herself as part of the session. So it
is possible to view one self in the past.
Your concept should work in theory, factoring in all the drawbacks
associated with viewing the future that have been discussed ad Nassau.
The problem is that "signal Line" time (SLT) is limited and this will
require extra SLT without producing any information.
I know that is confusing, so to clarify that, let me put you in the shoes
of the Operations Officer of an operational RV Unit. If you are lucky you
may have four viewers available and two monitors. If you get eight sessions
a week out of a viewer you are lucky. Some viewers may not be able to
accurately do more than five sessions a week unless there is an emergency.
You have five outstanding taskings, which you need to prioritize. How many
viewers are you going to target against each of those taskings. How many
sessions by how many viewers will it take to resolve each tasking. Are you
going to work a tasking with CRV or ERV or both? How many sessions can the
monitors work, write up, and evaluate? If you pull a viewer over to
monitor, then he cannot work as a viewer on that target. How urgent are the
taskings and how many more taskings can you expect to receive in the next
week? You have a new viewer in the unit who needs someone to train him/her.
Do you do it or do you pull a monitor or viewer? There is feedback from
previous taskings to pick up. There are VIPs to be briefed and sold how
great the project is. Points of contact at other agencies need to be
contacted to discuss past, present and future taskings. There are fights
with General Odom's folks to be waged, or else the project stops. People
need to be kept up on what others in the field are doing. Then there are
the housekeeping tasks any military unit must accomplish. Things like
personnel ratings, inventories, budgets, vehicle mileage reports, supply
reports, etc, etc, etc. Add to this the fact no viewer is going to be on
target 100 percent of the time. You almost always need to task at least two
viewers on any target. What I am trying to illustrate is SLT is valuable.
Any SLT you use to determine how and with who to work a session is SLT you
will not have to work the session.
Hope this helps.
slainte
May the force be with you
Liam
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/995)
11:41:14
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eyal, are you thinking of the Monroe Technique of Mind Awake/Body Asleep.
This is relevant for many of the Monroe exercises but does not always
apply in ERV. How do you define Body Asleep? Do you mean deeply relaxed?
If so, then in the ERV that I know, yes, the body is deeply relaxed.
Kind regards
Angela
eyal wrote:
>
> hmm guess i didnt explained myself well...
>
> well will you agree with me that your phisical body is in sleep state
> thats what i ment
>
> eyal
>
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RV and Lucid Dreams
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/996)
11:41:26
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>How do you define Body Asleep? Do you mean deeply relaxed?
>If so, then in the ERV that I know, yes, the body is deeply relaxed.
>Angela
Hi Angela,
Yes, I agree with both of you (I think!). When I RV, it is necessary for me
to be in a deeply relaxed state. I assume it is that way for everyone.
In your experience and research, has anyone ever tried to RV any other way?
Jerry
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Rving the future
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/997)
11:41:59
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Exactly right! The only reason we think we can't remote view the future as well
as we
can the past is simply because we don't think we can. Fact is, you can, and if
you
fail - well, you just missed - that's all. It happens when we RV the past as
well.
Many studies have proven that RV effect size is NOT effected by displacing time
in
either direction. One can predict a random quantum event with as much
reliability as
a highly probable deterministic event.
For those interested in learning more, I highly recommend the book "Future
Memory &
Time" by Sean O'Donnell. I would also recommend that you experiment with RVing
the
future - with an OPEN MIND. You just might be really surprised!
"There is no God but reality. To seek him elsewhere is the action of the fall".
I am
basing my opinions on hard factual results from a lot of first hand research I
have
conducted on the subject. For those interested in more info on future prediction
using ARV see http://www.remote-viewing.com/
electrix wrote:
> What strikes me odd in all of this future business is that, if we are
accessing
> the matrix, the Akashic, Collective Unconscious or whatever...it is suppose to
be
> a timeless "environment." Meaning, it shouldn't be distorted by our human
> persception of past, present or future.... so why are we not able to see the
> "static" implication and content involving the target as it IS in the future?.
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: science or magic
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/998)
11:42:59
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>BUT what is occuring more and more frequently to me now, is I will get a
flash
>picture or flash of clarity in session and simply 'know'. Dont tell you
know
>who, (the ogre), but this 'knowing' is much easier and quicker than the
proper
>Rving, descriptive, descriptive, descriptive. What the heck I just tell ya
>what it is... :-) (very improper) LOL. (why if I had a student I would not
let
>her get way with that.. :-)
>Thank you.... ~T~
Hi Terri and all;
Liam here. I think you have it Terri. It is my belief that we obtain
information in three ways. I will not go into detail on those having
already posted several messages on this subject. In short we "perceive"
information, we "cue" information (which is really just selected perceiving
such as in stage 4) and we "know" information. This is how we get
information in Stage 5. But stage 5 in CRV is not the only way we know
information. I cannot tell you how it works, but I know it works. Very
frequently the viewer is not aware of what he/she knows. It becomes evident
in ERV in the following example of perceiving and knowing
Perceiving
MONITOR: Describe Structure
Viewer: Ah Ah.....Large ah ..multi-story
brown...... ah.. (pause) natural material
old...ah older than other structures in area
religious feeling.........tourist feeling
not used any more
facade
ah (pause)
historical feeling, military feeling.
Knowing
Monitor: Describe the structure
Viewer. Oh, the structure is natural material, walled, brown. It is
religious, military, historical. A major battle was fought here in the
past. This is a symbol for something larger. Structure is still a symbol.
It is a museum. Tourists here. It is by the river. AOL It is like Masada
(Target is the the Alamo)
The key to this is how well the monitor knows the viewer. If the viewer has
a history of accuracy in "known" information, then by all means, this is
valid information. Use it. If the viewer runs amok in regards to known
information. Then, by all means be skeptical.
Only, my opinion
slainte
May the force be with you.
Liam
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Re: body relaxed
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/999)
11:43:57
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Jerry:
According to techniques learned via USSR protocols, it has never been
necessary for me nor any of those I have trained to utilize any near-sleep nor
altered state of mind to use remote viewing. Nothing like that was included
in those training protocols.
At the most there may be a light Alpha State, if there IS such a thing.
Rather you might say it is a state of deep concentration and awareness.
This may be in contrast with more recent methods of learning and using the
techniques, but it was not a part of the protocols from which I learned.
Bevy J
U.S.Psi Squad
stargate : Message: [stargate]
Re: Figure eights
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/1000)
11:44:13
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<< If you can train your subconscious mind to do that, you can
make a better living running an obedience school for cats than you can
doing CRV. >>
Off the subject an ounce.....
But isn't that what kitties are known for doing so well? (Figure Eights about
your legs when it is feeding time .... this must be the true ideogram for a
figure eight "Feed ME!!!")
Couldn't help but note the analogy between kitties and figure eights here....
sorry for the interruption.... carry on....
Roo
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